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Tuesday, 11 April 2017

SEPTEMBER 23RD 2017: THE GREAT SIGN OR ANOTHER GIMMICK?

According to some, September the 23rd will prophetically fulfil Revelation 12 and Micah 5:2-3.

The Theory:

On September 23, 2017 the sun will be in the zodiac constellation Virgo—“a woman clothed with the sun”.  The moon will be at the feet of Virgo—“with the moon under her feet”.  The ‘nine’ stars of the zodiac constellation Leo, plus three planets (Mercury, Venus, and Mars), will be at the head of Virgo—“on her head a crown of twelve stars”.  The planet Jupiter will be in the centre of Virgo, and as the weeks pass after September 23 Jupiter will exit Virgo to the east, past her feet, so to speak—“She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she laboured to give birth”.  Jupiter is the largest of the planets, the “king” of the planets, so to speak—“She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod”. 

1And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth. 3And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. 4His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it. 5She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, 6and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days. (Revelation 12:1-6).

It is unanimous amongst bible scholars that the woman clothed with the sun is Israel (cf. Genesis 37:9). Although this passage in Revelation contains some eschatological implications, this prophecy was fulfilled with the birth of Jesus Christ.

I would agree that astronomical signs in the heavens reflect events on the earth, as the star of Bethlehem demonstrates when Jesus Christ was born. However, the scriptures are always our first priority. THE GREAT SIGN in the heavens, i.e. the star of Bethlehem, was an unmistakable presence for an enduring period of time. The so called September 23rd sign is much more uncertain with manufactured evidence.

According to Joel Richardson: "The pregnancy situation isn’t even legitimate. I went through the Stellarium software. Jupiter enters Virgo around November 2016, but then it leaves Virgo this year in May for about two months. It then re-enters Virgo in July and finally leaves Virgo in late August. On September 23, the magic date, Jupiter is already long out of Virgo’s womb and the sun has not even clothed Virgo yet. This is a manufactured sign. I’m sad folks are so quick to believe it without doing their homework."  https://joelstrumpet.com/the-underground-episode-64-what-is-the-sign-of-september-23-2017/

I am no astronomer, but Joel Richardson does appear to be correct in his assessment of this so called "prophecy". During 2017, Jupiter appears to move to and fro, travelling in and out of the constellation of Virgo (the virgin) as below:





The cycle of Jupiter’s orbit is a little under twelve years. Jupiter is therefore in Virgo with the sun present and the moon at her feet once every eleven or twelve years. This does not make it a "unique event in human history” or “once in 7000 years" as many of these "prophecy experts" are claiming. The crown of twelve “stars” comprise three planets, Mercury, Mars and Venus and nine stars of Leo. Problematically there are frequently more than nine stars depicted in Leo. Furthermore, as Joel Richardson points out, the sun does not clothe the woman on September 23rd. The gestation period of humans lasts 40 weeks, or 9.2 months, but those promoting this prophecy tell us that after 9.5 months, Jupiter exits out of the womb of Virgo. In different circumstances, I would normally not split hairs over a few days, but prophecy is usually very precise, as per the book of Daniel (1,200 days etc.) Would God be a few days out?








There are also those who have speculated that this alleged "sign" transpires during the 100th anniversary of the apparitions of “the woman clothed in the sun” Our Lady at Fatima in 1917.

As Dave MacPherson has recently pointed out, critically, this latest attempt at date setting destroys the pre-trib doctrine of imminence. {1}

In short, this theory is absolutely full of errors and assumptions and should be disregarded.

{1} https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/ready-for-rapture-astrology-by-dave.html

11 comments:

Irv said...

I'm tempted to say that I don't care a fig for date-setters! Do you suppose they are more filled with moonshine than starshine? lol

Treena Gisborn said...

Incredibly many are falling for it Irv.

colin said...

Who are "the some"?

There must be some pre-trib folk that are getting really tired of all this nonsense? Like the "blood moons" and "Y2K" fiasco and all the other date setting fiasco's? According to my Bible the "signs" happen AFTER the great "tribulation of those days" Matthew 24.29? But there again, anything to do with stars and signs, fascinate and tickle the "itching ears" of those who will not listen to "the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." 2 Tim 4.3-4.

Anything to do with the stars (constellations, 12 signs etc) appear to be an endless source of fascination/amusement to the ungodly. As a flat earther (so-called!) I obviously now view everything from a totally different perspective: For the Bible knows absolutely nothing of "planets" but only "lights" (Sun and Moon) and "stars also" (Genesis 1.14-17). Jupiter, Mars, Saturn etc ARE stars that are higher in the heavens than the Sun and the Moon therefore further, or rather, HIGHER away).

It is interesting regarding Revelation 12 and its obvious numerical associations; "crown of twelve stars", "twelve tribes", "twelve apostles", "twelve months" and "twelve zodiac signs" (and multiplications thereof)etc.

I believe that the angels or stars that "left their own habitation" (Jude 1.6) actually left the 'stars' that we see with our very own naked eyes in the night sky (that WAS their own "proper habitation". The angelic host that "left their own habitation are described in Rev 12.4 and directly from thence; demonic activity was rife as per the NT narratives. The Bible tells us very clearly that the "two great lights" (Genesis 1.16 are "IN the firmament", but "the stars also"? We cannot read that the stars are UNDER the firmament into the Scripture of truth (unless we adorn heliocentric lenses!) The stars therefore are ABOVE the firmament (third heaven?).
The "angels that sinned" (2 Peter 2.4) were definitely NOT the "sons of God" in Job 1.6. They were those that Satan's "tail... cast to the earth".
God bless.

Treena Gisborn said...

Astrology does hold a fascination for the ungodly, I agree Colin. It is a perversion of the true signs that God gives in the heavens. I have not studied astronomy to any degree, but I think astronomy (not astrology) is relevant.
Planets were known as stars.. or rather "wandering stars"; "planets" is a later designation you are absolutely right. "Stars" would be the biblical definition. The fact that these three "planets/wandering stars" should be included in this 23 September prophecy is an anomaly. As Joel Richardson points out, they are an add on to make the "prophecy" work.
Jude 1:6 - they left their heavenly habitation -- whether stars or not I am unsure?
The location of the stars is a question I have thought about since their location underneath the firmament, or within the dome, does not appear to fit in with the flat earth view. If the stars are higher than the heavens then that would make more sense. Certainly there is a lot more to the heavens and the earth than the scientists are telling us. I was watching the moon the other evening and the clouds were unmistakably passing behind it.. I am told this is an optical illusion?
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken." It is clear that these particular signs FOLLOW the tribulation.
I think that "the angels that sinned" in 2 Peter 2:4 were the "watchers" i.e. "the sons of God". Not all the angels that sinned are in Tartarus... only those that committed the vile sin of mixing with human women....
God bless

Anonymous said...

The words of Jesus will be seen by millions of people this Easter, thanks to a new evangelistic campaign organised by Howard Conder of Revelation Television!!

The link is: http://www.christian.org.uk/news/words-jesus-feature-london-buses/

Treena Gisborn said...

Which "Jesus" or "gospel" is he promoting Anonymous? Jesus Christ is not ecumenical according to my Bible!!

For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough. (2 Corinthians 11:4).
God bless


colin said...

Without a doubt demonic activity "went off the scale" as it were, when the Lord Jesus was in the flesh. Where are ALL the demons NOW? It is my belief that they are all chained/detained, and at the present time Satan is acting alone (a great and powerful adversary that he is!). Clearly the Bible teaches that demonic activity will again be "off the scale" when the Second Advent is upon us.
Many errantly blame demons for everything that goes wrong, and see them around every corner; forgetting that people are "drawn away of their own lust and enticed" James 1.14!
This is no doubt a very difficult subject, and great care must be exercised not to go beyond what is written.

In 2 Peter 2.4, "the angels that sinned" are mentioned along with the judgments of the flood and Sodom. We read INTO the Scripture that it was the fallen angels who married the "daughters of men". There is a similar narration in Jude, although the flood is omitted. In Jude, it was the men of Sodom that went after the angels!

To say that "only those that committed the vile sin of mixing with human women..." "are in Tartarus" would be wide off the mark. For just one instance, where did the demons go when our Lord sent the swine into the sea in Matthew 8.32/Luke 8/Mark 5? The swine certainly perished, but would Jesus have let "legion" go free, only to freely possess other souls? I think not! I believe they went into the abyss/Tartarus (deep-Luke 8.31), the place where they asked Him not to send them.

More on this another time, but those 'scientists' as we know them today are but vain babblers-"science falsely called" 1 Tim 6.20! If only God's children would stay 'tuned' to His word and not look into astronomy/astrology and science? Not that there is anything wrong with examining the world around us, but when we leave the pages of Scripture, where will we end up?
God bless.

colin said...

Regarding Conder's "campaign", I agree, he is a dyed in the wool ecumenist, a Roman Catholic by another name. Conder's message is NO different from the pope's.

Despite popery's wicked machinations throughout the millennia, many have been saved, and even though Conder believes in and teaches a thoroughly false gospel, we would do well to heed our Saviour's words "he that is not against us is for us." Luke 9.50?

It is good that Conder is spending some of his ill gotten gains-but only until April 24th!

God bless.

Treena Gisborn said...

"For we are not, like so many, peddlers of God’s word, but as men of sincerity, as commissioned by God, in the sight of God we speak in Christ." (2 Corinthians 2:17).

Motive is everything Colin. Conder's motive in ushering people into ecumenism is despicable.. but the Word of God is greater than the unclean motives of any man. Hopefully some will be genuinely saved and God will bring good out of this situation.

BTW Rob Thomas has received exactly the same comments as myself.
http://watchman4wales.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/fleecing-flock-iniquitous-imposition-of.html#comment-form

I believe that a certain person intent on causing mischief is behind this... you know the one with the alter egos.

God bless

Monopode said...

Motive is important I would agree. Using the gospel to draw followers after oneself is a very wicked thing. Using it to draw people into ecumenism is dangerous and evil. The article I read quotes Conder saying God told him to do it and that Jesus is using Conder's promotional skills! When did the gospel ever need human skills? He also thinks this campaign could go global. We all know the consequences of the enemy's global strategy. If the scriptures were simply writ large on the buses that would be a good thing but they have a website address leading straight to Conder. Not good.

Luke 9:50 speaks of casting out demons. We don't know who the person was who was doing this but Jesus must have known the man was doing the right thing. The disciples said in 'Your name,' and Jesus didn't say otherwise. I think this gives us an indication of the motives of the man.

Treena Gisborn said...

Luke 9:50 cross references Matthew 12:30..."Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters."

The ecumenical movement works in conjunction with the spirit of Antichrist.
Conder and his team of false teachers should be avoided, they are deceivers.


God bless you Monopode.